- Monero Integrations Team has released a payment gate way for OpenCart
- Stoffu has added automatic popping of bad version blocks
- rbrunner is working on an easier MultiSig implementation
- sarang is analyzing an implementation of non-interactive refunds
- BulletProof audits are still underway
- Serhack is working on a Mastering Monero book
- MyMonero desktop app is ready for testing.
- Next meeting June 3rd, 2018
1:00 PM <rehrar> alright, meeting time! 1:01 PM <rehrar> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/222 1:01 PM <rehrar> 1. Greetings 1:01 PM <rehrar> Who's ready to Monerooooo? Let me see you raise those hands and raise those voices!!! 1:02 PM <rbrunner> I don't know how to mooo 1:02 PM → serhack joined (1f9d7c0b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.8.131.52) 1:02 PM <erciccione_[m]> whoop whoop 1:02 PM <serhack> Hi! 1:02 PM <serhack> Hi 1:02 PM <cryptochangement> rbrunner: only mooo can moo of course 1:02 PM <rbrunner> :) 1:02 PM <rehrar> Weak response. I said who's readaaaaay? 1:02 PM — +moneromooo looks on suspiciously 1:02 PM <@ArticMine> hi 1:02 PM <rehrar> *sigh* Monero isn't a rock concert, I guess. 1:02 PM <shortfinal> x 1:03 PM <endogenic> sort of here 1:03 PM <rehrar> moneromooo is a confusing name. It implies cow, but he's obviously the GOAT ;) 1:03 PM <vp11> lol 1:03 PM <rehrar> (just learned what that meant recently) 1:04 PM <rehrar> 2. Brief review of what's been completed since the previous meeting 1:04 PM <rehrar> Tell me, people. Watcha been up to? Increase our morale in the market of blood. 1:05 PM <serhack> Monero Integrations Team released the Monero Payment Gateway for Opencart, a popular e-shop platform. https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerocart 1:05 PM <+moneromooo> More sync bug fixing. 1:05 PM → glv joined (~glv@2a01:e34:ed03:c7d0:b8d2:10a6:1568:afb8) 1:05 PM <rehrar> woohoo! 1:06 PM <+moneromooo> automatic popping of bad version blocks by stoffu (when the user doesn't update in time despite monerod moaning about it) 1:06 PM <rehrar> where are we at with 0.12.1? Mr. Potatohead said he'd be working on that this weekend, right? 1:07 PM ⇐ sneurlax quit (~email@example.com) Ping timeout: 260 seconds 1:07 PM ⇐ lithiumpt quit (~firstname.lastname@example.org) Ping timeout: 248 seconds 1:07 PM <+moneromooo> fluffypony said monday last time. Whether this is the last delay or not, who knows. 1:07 PM <rehrar> 0.12.1 will eventually just become 0.13 1:07 PM <cryptochangement> iirc he said there's some git stuff to be done with reverting something and such 1:08 PM <iDunk> Hmm, he made an Asylum4You type thing for one of the PRs. 1:09 PM ⇐ NonaSuomy quit (~NonaSuomy@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce) Ping timeout: 250 seconds 1:10 PM <rehrar> anyone do anything recently? We been a bit slow? 1:10 PM <rbrunner> I started to program my MMS design for easy multisig. Progress is good so far, and I already know that the raw number of lines of code will be quite reasonable 1:10 PM ⇐ amiuhle quit (~amiuhle@S010664777da98893.cg.shawcable.net) Ping timeout: 276 seconds 1:10 PM <rbrunner> I even found a partner, or better said they found me: asymptotically (u/asymptotically508 on reddit) started to implement a first messaging daemon based on Bitmessage 1:11 PM <sarang> I finished up an analysis of noninteractive refunds and am finalizing coursework for my upcoming crypto outreach class 1:11 PM <rehrar> you guys are doing something really awesome! 1:12 PM <rbrunner> Is there an ELI5 for those refunds somewhere? 1:13 PM <sarang> Yes, let me pull up the link rbrunner 1:13 PM <sarang> Here's the link to the tech note: https://www.sharelatex.com/read/vcyxgpntfsgz 1:14 PM <serhack> The Mastering Monero Resource needs some feedbacks on the content. If you want to help, please check out on https://github.com/monerobook/monerobook/pulls 1:14 PM <rbrunner> Thanks, sarang, will check that! 1:14 PM <sarang> I'll put it in the MRL repo soon for further review 1:14 PM <sarang> I'll be working with some Purdue researchers on a more formal version for journal submission at some point 1:14 PM <sarang> it's a good collaboration 1:15 PM <sarang> Also, BP audits are underway still, nothing new to report 1:15 PM <sarang> funding is fully complete thanks to rehrar and the many generous contributors 1:15 PM <rehrar> still looking like completing on time? 1:16 PM <sarang> I don't foresee any delays 1:16 PM <rehrar> yay 1:17 PM <rehrar> also, thanks serhack for the Mastering Monero update 1:17 PM <rehrar> anything else fun to report? 1:18 PM <erciccione_[m]> the guide for the GUI is erady, we only need to implement it 1:18 PM <erciccione_[m]> rehrar: could you add a link for downloading the guide on the website as soon as 0.12.1 is out? 1:19 PM <rehrar> sure 1:19 PM ⇐ iDunk quit (~iDunk@unaffiliated/idunk) Ping timeout: 260 seconds 1:19 PM <erciccione_[m]> great, thanks. 1:19 PM <rehrar> alrighty 1:19 PM <rehrar> I think serhack has one more thing, and then we'll move on 1:20 PM <serhack> https://masteringmonero.com/book/preview.pdf <- Mastering Monero Preview with some illustrations 1:20 PM <rehrar> thanks serhack 1:20 PM <rehrar> 3. Code + ticket discussion / Q & A 1:21 PM <rehrar> moneromooo, you wanna take over here? It'd be best if fluffypony was here to help out with 0.12.1 release stuff 1:21 PM → iDunk joined (~iDunk@unaffiliated/idunk) 1:21 PM <+moneromooo> I just wait for pony to have some time to merge, really. 1:21 PM → NonaSuomy joined (~NonaSuomy@kodi/staff/TeknoJuce) 1:21 PM <+moneromooo> I can answer if there are quetions about code. 1:22 PM <rehrar> Hopefully he can have the time. He does have a watch after all (as we were all reminded this week) 1:22 PM <rbrunner> lol 1:22 PM <vp11> ba-dum-tss 1:22 PM <gingeropolous> aw jeesh 1:23 PM <+moneromooo> No code question ? 1:23 PM <rehrar> Any questions for our emperor moneromooo? 1:23 PM <gingeropolous> uhhmmm... what needs the most testing? 1:23 PM <+moneromooo> atm, some private code. I might contact you later if you want to test stuff ^_^ 1:23 PM <gingeropolous> ok 1:24 PM <gingeropolous> and, when are we gonna torture ourselves with another database reformat? 1:24 PM <+moneromooo> Also last two meetings, I said I had a wallet refresh speedup patchset, and asked if people could time the difference. AFAICT nobody did, so I guess performance is a non issue for people in general. 1:24 PM <gingeropolous> i timed the diff! 1:24 PM → ifntifb93 joined (c4342706@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.108.40.206) 1:24 PM <+moneromooo> The v2 db stuff is just waiting for pony to release so we can merge to master. 1:24 PM <endogenic> moneromooo: private code? monero is so centralized 1:24 PM <+moneromooo> You did, but then I asked you specifically :) 1:24 PM <shortfinal> do we have a rough idea as to the next fork? month wise? I know that's sort of a joke considering we're still waiting on a point release. but this past fork I remember some discussion about moving the next fork further out, towards october 1:24 PM <rehrar> no no endogenic. We're supposed to be the most private cryptocurrency 1:25 PM <gingeropolous> no no rehrar , we're the most fungible 1:25 PM <endogenic> hey we should make the pow algo private too, that way no asics 1:25 PM <rehrar> oh I hope note shortfinal. Bulletproofs are coming in next fork. 1:25 PM <gingeropolous> hrm, so database reformat and bulletproofs for 0.13? 1:25 PM <endogenic> i heard a rumor bulletproofs impl has to be redone 1:25 PM <gingeropolous> lucky 13. 1:25 PM <endogenic> any truth? 1:25 PM <+moneromooo> Yay, I'm totally coding in a pub, with my laptop screen plugged into the sports screen. No privacy. 1:25 PM <sarang> endogenic: ? 1:25 PM <rehrar> can't we just have a 'NO ASICS ALLOWED' clause in the code of the PoW algo? 1:26 PM <endogenic> wow mooo that really narrows it down for us 1:26 PM — +moneromooo thinks again and does not feed 1:26 PM <endogenic> sarang: someone told me they heard that was a result of an audit 1:26 PM <sarang> oh lol 1:26 PM <sarang> that 1:27 PM → Lloydimiller4_ joined (~Lloydimil@unaffiliated/lloydimiller4) 1:27 PM <dEBRUYNE> I think sarang joked about that in the MRL channel 1:27 PM <dEBRUYNE> I can see someone taking it seriously though lol 1:27 PM <gingeropolous> re: timing, moneromooo - i'll make a post on reddit to try and get some more testers. its on your fork called some branch something something 1:27 PM <sarang> BREAKING: no BPs 1:27 PM <dEBRUYNE> mswip gingeropolous 1:27 PM <dEBRUYNE> Also PRed I think (not sure if merged) 1:27 PM <rehrar> bullet proofs aren't bullet proof 1:28 PM <+moneromooo> Yes, that one, thanks. It does switch the db to v2 btw. 1:28 PM <@ArticMine> Someone fell for the joke 1:28 PM <gingeropolous> or is it mswipe2 dEBRUYNE moneromooo ? 1:28 PM <shortfinal> I'm falling for it right now, help. can't get up. 1:28 PM <shortfinal> lifealert 1:28 PM <+moneromooo> That one doesn't exist AFAIK. Joke again ? 1:28 PM <endogenic> dEBRUYNE: oh ok they were busy at the time so that could have been the case 1:29 PM → lithiumpt joined (~email@example.com) 1:29 PM <cryptochangement> I opened up #3839 earlier for mining to subaddresses but stoffu said there isn't any demand for it so we shouldn't do it. do you have an opinion on that or should I just close it? 1:29 PM <dEBRUYNE> mswip2 gingeropolous 1:29 PM <gingeropolous> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/bitmonero/tree/mswip2 1:29 PM <+moneromooo> It's whatever is in PR #3716 1:30 PM <rehrar> mining to subaddress is kind of cool, honestly 1:30 PM <rehrar> if I post my XMR address on the internet (for donations or whatever) 1:30 PM <+moneromooo> OMG, 19 files changed to allow mining to a subaddress :S 1:31 PM <rehrar> and then somebody goes to a pool and puts that XMR address in the pool software, if I mined on that site, then they see how much Monero I mined. 1:31 PM <cryptochangement> yea... that was also his problem 1:31 PM <endogenic> moneromooo that's just it 1:31 PM <vp11> rehrar, to be honest most people are mining in pools, and pool support to subaddresses is trivial (I think at least a few pools are already doing it) 1:31 PM <endogenic> multiply that by rebase work 1:31 PM <endogenic> afk 1:32 PM <rehrar> bai 1:32 PM <cryptochangement> it is basically that we shouldn't parse the mining address until we get to actually constructing the transaction so it slightly touches a bunch of files 1:32 PM <endogenic> see you 1:32 PM <+moneromooo> I'll read it later. 1:32 PM <rehrar> alright, move in? 1:32 PM <cryptochangement> ok thnx 1:33 PM <rehrar> *on 1:33 PM <rehrar> 4. Any additional meeting items 1:33 PM <rehrar> msvb-lab: wanted to ask something if I remember 1:34 PM <sarang> Oh, there was a recent proposal for time-limited outputs 1:35 PM <rbrunner> Saw it on reddit. Is that new, or has any other coin already tried something like that? 1:36 PM <rehrar> he doesn't seem to be around so I'll just paste what he said for people's information 1:36 PM <msvb-lab> Ups. 1:36 PM <rehrar> oh yay! 1:36 PM <gingeropolous> i doubt any coin has tried it. most coins can just prune spent outs. 1:36 PM <msvb-lab> Indeed, firmware development for the hardware badges has begun. 1:36 PM <msvb-lab> And so if any software developers here would like to learn to program embedded systems, they can make our badges light up. 1:37 PM <msvb-lab> So my question/request is for those who are interested in charlieplexed LED badge circuits to contact me if they want to create firmware. 1:37 PM <+moneromooo> Relatedly, back when there was talk about daughter chains, I was toying with the idea of having temporary daughter chains, which would live for, N months, a new one starting every N months, offset slightly. Move monero to it for daily use, then anything left moves back before it dies (possibly to the new temp chain, since offset). 1:37 PM <msvb-lab> I'll have a set of sneak preview badges in about a month to send out. 1:37 PM <msvb-lab> That's all, thanks rehrar. 1:37 PM <+moneromooo> and then nobody talked about daughter chains ever again for a long time :D 1:38 PM <sarang> lol 1:38 PM <sarang> I hadn't heard that idea 1:39 PM <rbrunner> As if syncing *one* chain wasn't hard enough already :) 1:39 PM <@ArticMine> Daughter chains that also use demurrage and are merged mined are something that is worth looking at 1:39 PM <rehrar> is dandelion tx stuff something that can be useful for Moruno? 1:39 PM <@ArticMine> For pr unable / expiring tx for example 1:40 PM <+moneromooo> harhar: you mean for monero ? 1:40 PM <rehrar> mrunooomo: ye 1:41 PM <rehrar> do people know what I mean when I say dandelion thingies? 1:41 PM <_Slack> <nanoakron> mooo - which PR is the wallet refresh timing one? I’m happy to test 1:41 PM <vp11> John Alan recently published in r/Monero about the core team GPG keys, mentioning that Riccardo's key (https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys) isn't signed by anyone. 1:41 PM <vp11> As far as I'm concerned it's not a big deal, but since a lot of people this week are finding multiple reasons to defecate over our CEO (/s), I thought at least an explanation of why it's not a big deal could be provided by you, important people :D 1:41 PM <rehrar> sign via signal is the way to be 1:41 PM <gingeropolous> nanoakron: moneromooo> It's whatever is in PR #3716 1:42 PM <_Slack> <nanoakron> Thanks 1:42 PM <+moneromooo> 3716, and it does upgrade your db to v2, which means you always have to use the v2 patch with that db till it's merged. 1:43 PM <rehrar> just google Dandelion Protocol 1:43 PM <_Slack> <nanoakron> Hrm… 1:43 PM <rehrar> maybe for MRL to look at 1:43 PM <rehrar> but I think good amount of overlap with kovri 1:43 PM <rehrar> in terms of what trying to accomplish 1:43 PM <sarang> The Dandelion Protocol sounds like the title of a PG-rated crime novel 1:44 PM <rehrar> Baby's first crime thriller 1:44 PM <rbrunner> Hm, the links that come up on Google are a year old? 1:44 PM <rehrar> PIVX implemented it for a reason or other 1:44 PM <rehrar> basically to make it harder for malicious nodes to tell where tx are coming from 1:45 PM <sarang> Link to original paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.04439.pdf 1:46 PM <sarang> Looks like a fun exercise in sparse graph theory 1:46 PM <rehrar> just a thought 1:47 PM <rehrar> alright, nothing else? 1:47 PM <rehrar> confirm next meeting time? 1:47 PM <rehrar> #twoweeks 1:48 PM <rehrar> March 3rd. Any objections? 1:48 PM <dEBRUYNE> Perhaps endogenic could give us an update on MyMonero 1:48 PM <rehrar> he left 1:48 PM <dEBRUYNE> If he's not afk :P 1:48 PM <endogenic> back now 1:48 PM <iDunk> Why not January 3rd ? 1:48 PM <rehrar> hai 1:48 PM <endogenic> so the desktop apps are out 1:48 PM <endogenic> go download them on github? 1:48 PM <endogenic> !* 1:49 PM <ifntifb93> will mymonero be in fdroid? 1:49 PM <endogenic> the ios app is being reviewed by apple. they need extra time 1:49 PM <endogenic> ifntifb93: yes 1:49 PM <endogenic> definitely 1:49 PM <dEBRUYNE> Where's the announcement haha 1:49 PM <rehrar> they don't give you a timeline for that eh endogenic? 1:49 PM <endogenic> dEBRUYNE: we not launched yet :) 1:49 PM <dEBRUYNE> Also, I am saddened by the absence of a pre-announcement 1:49 PM <endogenic> well 1:49 PM <endogenic> this is it 1:50 PM <ifntifb93> great! is android apk available already too? 1:50 PM <dEBRUYNE> Oh perhaps you got me confused 1:50 PM <endogenic> the mymonero initial release offering 1:50 PM <dEBRUYNE> I thought the desktop apps were live already :p 1:50 PM <unknownids> woooo 1:50 PM <endogenic> ifntifb93: no i'm building the native app 1:50 PM <unknownids> mymonero ico buy buy buy 1:50 PM <endogenic> i'll make the android source repo public so someone can help 1:50 PM <cryptochangement> is it backed by the MEA tho? 1:50 PM <endogenic> yes 1:50 PM <endogenic> naturally 1:50 PM <cryptochangement> alright I'll go all in then 1:50 PM <endogenic> good 1:51 PM <endogenic> we'll do a secondary and tertiary offering 1:51 PM <ifntifb93> mea is great 1:51 PM <+moneromooo> The amount of bullshit *in a dev meeting* is wasting everyone's time. 1:51 PM <endogenic> said mooo 1:51 PM <iDunk> That's why I basically stopped reading them. 1:51 PM <rehrar> link to Github desktop apps? 1:51 PM ⇐ PuebloZag quit (506d1957@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.127.116.11) Quit: Page closed 1:51 PM <dEBRUYNE> This I guess -> https://github.com/mymonero/mymonero-app-js/releases/tag/v1.0.0-rc3 1:52 PM <rehrar> great, thanks 1:52 PM <endogenic> well it seems this isnt the venue 1:52 PM <cryptochangement> looks like there are binaries and everything so it's official! 1:52 PM <endogenic> we may be spamming 1:52 PM <rehrar> and thanks endogenic :) 1:52 PM <rehrar> next meeting on the third 1:52 PM <rehrar> thanks for coming. Meeting over.